TN and EDIIINT Question

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hi

i used TN for processing EDI,XML ,FlatFiles . But i dont understand why EDIINT is used .I read the docs and understood how EDIINT works but basically i did not understand why EDIINT is used when we can send data using EDI . Please can anyone help me know the advantages and the reasons why EDIINT is used

thanks
Anil

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Search the web for EDIINT for various descriptions of this.

[URL=“http://www.edidev.com/frediAs2.htm”]http://www.edidev.com/frediAs2.htm[/URL] is perhaps a good start.

Basically, “plain” EDI doesn’t specify how an interchange is to be delivered to partners, though it is very common to use a value-added network. One can use any transport/communication mechanism desired (dial-up, FTP, HTTP, etc.).

EDIINT defines specifically how to exchange EDI interchanges using SMTP (AS1) and HTTP (AS2). These are formal standards that describe the specifics for exchanging interchanges and MDNs. A search for EDI AS1 and/or EDI AS2 will reveal much material available on the web.

The use of EDIINT will be driven in part by your own needs and also in part by your partners. If they want or require the use of AS2, then you’ll want to use the EDIINT module.

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Also browse this site www.ediuniversity.com to get a basic idea on EDIINT process.

[URL=“http://www.ediuniversity.com/advanced/”]http://www.ediuniversity.com/advanced/[/URL]

HTH,
RMG

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thanks Rob Eamon and RMG

i went through the docs you provided.But still i have a question .

Why cant we use https transport for normal EDI instead of EDIINT AS2.By doing this we can achieve every thing that an EDIINT AS2 does

  1. get data securily
    2 can generate EDI FA (acknowledgment same as MDNs in EDIINT)
    immediatly and can send it to patner

Rob Eamon i have another Q regarding ur post .You said

" The use of EDIINT will be driven in part by your own needs and also in part by your partners. If they want or require the use of AS2, then you’ll want to use the EDIINT module."

By this you mean that if my patner wants to use EDIINT AS2 then i have to and vice-versa.In one of my past proj my proj manager told us that we have to implement AS2 setup based on what he decided that .Is it because our patner is using EDIINT.

thanks in advance and sorry for long post

Anil

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Yes you have to follow/communicate as per your partner requests (TPA)…so got to setup EDIINT AS2 secured protocol (to send xml/edi-x12) in your IS/TN setup.They may want you to route to their URL directly or a VAN (Value Added Network)

HTH,
RMG

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thanks RMG

i understand what you said but how come TPA s decide whether its an normal EDI or EDIINT AS1 or AS2 … .I configured TPAs before in which i defined the split option etc

correct me if i am wrong and RMG the reference you provided regarding EDI,EDIINT is really gud especially the case study from diff companies

thanks in advance
Anil

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Its nothing to do with TPA’s…its all your processing rules which kicksoff EDIINT services EDIINT:send and EDIINT:receive

You will setup TPA’s for processing AS2 payloads ie edi-x12 just like you have been doing.

PS:Please review the webMethods EDIINT Userguide it explains what you are looking for and setup AS2/AS1 what ever required.

HTH,
RMG

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this one is my first Question from the above posts

Why cant we use https transport for normal EDI instead of EDIINT AS2.By doing this we can achieve every thing that an EDIINT AS2 does

  1. get data securily
    2 can generate EDI FA (acknowledgment same as MDNs in EDIINT)
    immediatly and can send it to patner

thanks RMG and will go through the docs
Anil

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Because you only can send/receive AS2/MDN’s via EDIINT processess that your partner expects to exchange docs via AS2 communication…So you can’t use just http/s service transport with a EDIINT AS2 partner.

Otherway would be engaging a VAN (like Sterling,Inovis,GXS etc…) and which they can setup EDIINT communication with your partner) they will handle all the AS2/MDN’s and deenvelope the payload (X12’s) and send it to you via FTP/Https… (this is expensive unless you have more budget)…

Think about it…

HTH,
RMg

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  1. AS2 isn’t only about security.

  2. MDNs are not the same as FAs.

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RMG

So by your previous post what i understood is comm protocols like EDIINT As1,As2,normal EDI etc will completly depend upon what our TP wants and how he wants .
So for example if i am using normal EDI via http rite now and in the futhure if my other patner wants me to send it to their VAN then i have to use EDIINT or VAN to xhange .So all this is completly based on our business patner.
Before ending a small Q just to make sure i understand completly

  1. what if my business patner wants a MDN but our company dont have any resources like VAN or EDIINT to send him

thanks in advance
Anil

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Please see above in bold…

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thanks RMG . I really did not work on EDIINT but i understood most of it by reading the docs.The only Question that haunted me is ‘WHY THEY USE EDIINT SPECIFICALLY WHILE THERE ARE OTHER COMM PROTOCOLS’
But rite now i had my doubt cleared thanks a lot my friend.

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AS2 (via Internet) Its not expensive and encryptioned/secure and so the reason…unless they don’t go thru any VAN network…

HTH,
RMG